This is a huge undertaking, and I admire and respect both your industry and your courage in it.
Two questions/comments:
Is there a page I can bookmark that will have links to everything that has been published up to that date? I haven’t found it if one exists.
I love the core value of human life first made explicit in what’s been published to date, but I’m struggling with the concept of agency. I feel like the word agency gets thrown around a lot these days, and I’m afraid that may have muddied the waters for me at least in understanding the ultimate point.
But is agency even necessary? What if it was just techno-humanism without this additional concept of agency? That’s what I find myself wondering at this stage. I found some earlier work by the author here: https://blog.rootsofprogress.org/progress-humanism-agency and I’m guessing the same or similar use of “agency” is intended. I’ll keep reading to see how this plays out, but at least for now I’m not seeing the case for agency clearly — meaning both that I don’t quite understand what agency means and that whatever it means it’s not clear how it’s a necessary moral imperative to human progress.
This may be a semantic argument in the sense that if what is meant by agency boils down to something like attention to pragmatic fitting of means to ends, then this argument for agency would be much clearer. And I may be idiosyncratic in how distracted I get worrying that “agency” in the sense the author is using the term here requires an appeal to “free will,” which I believe both ambiguous and unnecessary.
It is the belief that we can make choices and that those choices matter and can be effective, that we can to some significant degree control our lives and shape our future, both as individuals and as a society. The opposite of this is fatalism, the belief that we’re being carried along by forces outside our control and that we don’t have any choices or that they don’t matter.
It is also an ideal or a value, in the sense of believing that it is good for people to have choices and to make them, and that the expansion of choice (again, both for individuals and for society) is a good thing.
I do believe in free will (although I’m less clear on it and less certain about it than I used to be) but I’m not sure that a strong belief in free will is necessary to align with my concept of agency—maybe you could also agree with it under a compatibilist notion of volition.
I’m still mulling this over, but I have come around to the view that you’re right about what you’re calling “agency” not being something that could be removed without disservice to the promotion of progress, and that you’ve got the best way of framing it. If I take your suggestion of viewing “agency” from a more compatibilist point of view—and thanks for this nudge—I find it all far more tractable. I’m a big fan of W.V.O. Quine, and I believe he would have supported your pointing to “agency” as useful in this context. Even if “agency” means not freedom in some metaphysical sense, we have to grant that the removal of constraints on human actions is going to be better rather than worse for human progress.
And I think you have the right rhetorical approach to the question. Talking about freedom as we have for millennia, in the metaphysical sense, is more comprehensible because of how we’re wired.
...but I can’t resist observing that if, in the background, what’s going on is something determined then the actual mechanism for the promotion of progress does seem to collapse into something more like far from equilibrium free energy maximizations, of the sort popular among techno-optimists at the moment. Not for no reason it’s called “compatibilism” I suppose!
Yes, one of my problems with compatibilism is, if determinism is true, then in some sense none of this matters? Like, why bother talking about progress when the entire trajectory of the future is already predetermined and literally nothing will change it?
For some this might be too fine a distinction, but for me understanding ontology has always been important, and I find compatabilism useful for its pragmatic distinction between ontology and any prescriptivist philosophy (like positivism). A compatibilist can accept that we don’t have free will and yet endorse the instrumental value of rhetoric that promotes freedom — what does it matter that under the hood it’s just thermodynamics? One can’t escape the illusion of free will even if and when you believe it is an illusion and try hard to do so. But pragamatism is a common thread running through compatabilist ontology and prescriptivism, and my aesthetic preference (? prejudice? precommitment) is to believing in things that work even when I don’t understand how or why.
So there might very well be a point in talking about progress even if we’re not sure whether or how it would have happened had we never existed.
This is a huge undertaking, and I admire and respect both your industry and your courage in it.
Two questions/comments:
Is there a page I can bookmark that will have links to everything that has been published up to that date? I haven’t found it if one exists.
I love the core value of human life first made explicit in what’s been published to date, but I’m struggling with the concept of agency. I feel like the word agency gets thrown around a lot these days, and I’m afraid that may have muddied the waters for me at least in understanding the ultimate point.
But is agency even necessary? What if it was just techno-humanism without this additional concept of agency? That’s what I find myself wondering at this stage. I found some earlier work by the author here: https://blog.rootsofprogress.org/progress-humanism-agency and I’m guessing the same or similar use of “agency” is intended. I’ll keep reading to see how this plays out, but at least for now I’m not seeing the case for agency clearly — meaning both that I don’t quite understand what agency means and that whatever it means it’s not clear how it’s a necessary moral imperative to human progress.
This may be a semantic argument in the sense that if what is meant by agency boils down to something like attention to pragmatic fitting of means to ends, then this argument for agency would be much clearer. And I may be idiosyncratic in how distracted I get worrying that “agency” in the sense the author is using the term here requires an appeal to “free will,” which I believe both ambiguous and unnecessary.
I’ll keep reading to see what it plays out.
Thanks!
I just updated https://rootsofprogress.org/manifesto with links to everything that’s been published so far, and will try to keep it up to date.
By agency, I mean two closely related things.
It is the belief that we can make choices and that those choices matter and can be effective, that we can to some significant degree control our lives and shape our future, both as individuals and as a society. The opposite of this is fatalism, the belief that we’re being carried along by forces outside our control and that we don’t have any choices or that they don’t matter.
It is also an ideal or a value, in the sense of believing that it is good for people to have choices and to make them, and that the expansion of choice (again, both for individuals and for society) is a good thing.
I do believe in free will (although I’m less clear on it and less certain about it than I used to be) but I’m not sure that a strong belief in free will is necessary to align with my concept of agency—maybe you could also agree with it under a compatibilist notion of volition.
I’m still mulling this over, but I have come around to the view that you’re right about what you’re calling “agency” not being something that could be removed without disservice to the promotion of progress, and that you’ve got the best way of framing it. If I take your suggestion of viewing “agency” from a more compatibilist point of view—and thanks for this nudge—I find it all far more tractable. I’m a big fan of W.V.O. Quine, and I believe he would have supported your pointing to “agency” as useful in this context. Even if “agency” means not freedom in some metaphysical sense, we have to grant that the removal of constraints on human actions is going to be better rather than worse for human progress.
And I think you have the right rhetorical approach to the question. Talking about freedom as we have for millennia, in the metaphysical sense, is more comprehensible because of how we’re wired.
...but I can’t resist observing that if, in the background, what’s going on is something determined then the actual mechanism for the promotion of progress does seem to collapse into something more like far from equilibrium free energy maximizations, of the sort popular among techno-optimists at the moment. Not for no reason it’s called “compatibilism” I suppose!
Thanks.
Yes, one of my problems with compatibilism is, if determinism is true, then in some sense none of this matters? Like, why bother talking about progress when the entire trajectory of the future is already predetermined and literally nothing will change it?
For some this might be too fine a distinction, but for me understanding ontology has always been important, and I find compatabilism useful for its pragmatic distinction between ontology and any prescriptivist philosophy (like positivism). A compatibilist can accept that we don’t have free will and yet endorse the instrumental value of rhetoric that promotes freedom — what does it matter that under the hood it’s just thermodynamics? One can’t escape the illusion of free will even if and when you believe it is an illusion and try hard to do so. But pragamatism is a common thread running through compatabilist ontology and prescriptivism, and my aesthetic preference (? prejudice? precommitment) is to believing in things that work even when I don’t understand how or why.
So there might very well be a point in talking about progress even if we’re not sure whether or how it would have happened had we never existed.